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Re: [Xylo-SDR] Some design thoughts requested



Cecil

 

Yes, I’ll go back and look at Eurocard standard. This looks great. GUD HUNTING! Thanks for all the links. One way or tother I think we need a buss for our end product. Your point about size of the boards we might want to manufacture is well taken. They should be able to go on a little more than a postage stamp, and be VERY inexpensive to produce - external connectors being the limiting size factor! One reason I was looking at Memory Chip risers.

 

I moused around a little today, and really can’t see where I can justify Eagle Software in any serious production version. So I’ll probably monkey around with Kicad, which is a really nice GPL product. I mentioned earlier that there was some problem with the Drill files, which they have corrected. Only benefit of Eagle IS the plethora of template files available. I don’t mind eating on my lunchtime and creating new parts! Good exercise and I am getting fatter! (No Testosterone!)

 

Sparkfun has a pretty good batch deal for prototype boards and also a lot of interesting new products. I like their little 3 buck power supplies. Also have a some 28 pin SOIC to DIP experimenter stuff for about the same price.

 

http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=525299&cat=1&PHPSESSID=abce58b426cb8d0d0c3cf4b1495f0312

 

Other prototype boards can be had at:

 

http://protoboards.theshoppe.com/index.html

 

Will return!

 

Viva the Project

 

Eric

 


From: xylo-sdr-bounces@lists.ae5k.us [mailto:xylo-sdr-bounces@lists.ae5k.us] On Behalf Of KD5NWA
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:06 PM
To: Xylo-SDR Discussion
Subject: Re: [Xylo-SDR] Some design thoughts requested

 

I'll second the DIN connectors,they are very reliable, and come in different sizes, single, and dual connector cards. I have used them in an industrial environment and they worked flawlessly for years. But I'll go one more step forward.

The Eurocard standard allows for mix of one 96 pin connector,  two connectors or even three connectors (not needed). Prototype boards are cheap, most PCB houses have specials on Eurocard size boards. Card cages are available for low prices for the Eurocard format

Like Leon said the connectors are expensive but they are self aligning, and I've seen then for under $3 on the Internet.

Although the PCI is tempting and cheap for the backplane, it's a bus that is designed for digital logic, all pins are tied to the same pins in all cards. Prototype cards tend to be large and expensive.

A brief blurb on Eurocards;

< http://www.yotor.org/wiki/en/eu/Eurocard.htm >

Cheap prototype boards are available for $10 or less, a very important point, $50 to $60 for a PCI card is very expensive, maybe I'm too cheap, but the blank board should not cost more than the components.
< http://www.sbszoo.com/ve6sbs/sale/cct-brds.htm >

Here are some available at Mouse;
< http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=data.getPcodes&pcode=BPS%2BPrototype%2BBoards&pcodenumber=85400 >

Sample enclosure, can be home made from aluminum extrusions.
< http://www.busboard.net/bps-enc.htm >



At 03:34 AM 1/2/2006, Leon Heller wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Eric Ellison

To: 'Xylo-SDR Discussion'

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:17 AM

Subject: [Xylo-SDR] Some design thoughts requested

Folks

 

Even since the PIC 4550 days I have been thinking on how we might conduct experiments as well as have a reasonable environment for adding on to the project. The obvious answer is a buss of some sort. I have looked at everything from Simm riser boards to ISA buss stuff. PCI risers might be the way to go since they are inexpensive ($15) for 3 slot extenders. Also in an end product they fit into the L-brackets of a computer case, or 2U mounts. They have assigned power buss we can use, fairly inexpensive prototyping boards. ($50 - $60), are four layer and designed to minimize intra trace noise. The buss wouldnt be used for PCI, however it would allow power, (on designated standards based lines), intra board connections, and FPGA, I2C,signals etc.

 

PCI seems to be a little large for what we are proposing, and the product boards would cost more to produce, however, with an established buss we could put a radio on one card, FPGA on another Audio on another etc.

 

$15 Board amongst others:

 

 

http://www.plinkusa.net/riser.htm

 

 

 

 

Am I off the wall here?

 

That's the sort of thing I was thinking of doing. I used to work for Racal and they used to build their military radios from separate screened plug-in modules on a backplane.

 

I favour DIN41612 connectors for this sort of thing. They are expensive, but very reliable, and have pins on 0.1" centres. They can even accomodate co-axial connectors. They are more commonly used in Europe than the USA, but you can get them over there without any problems.

 

73, Leon

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